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"Thee" and "Thou" vs. "Ye" and "You" - Understanding the Language of the KJV

5/24/2022

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The "thee's" and "thou's" of the KJV are not merely antiquated language. These terms had actually fallen out of use by the time that the KJV was translated, but the translators recognized the need to resurrect this antiquated terminology in order to keep their translation as accurate as possible.
You see, both the Hebrew language and the Greek language have a distinction between the singular second person pronoun and the plural second person pronoun. This distinction is so much a part of these two languages that many passages of Scripture did not contain any other means of distinguishing whether a statement was being addressed to an individual or to a group. The only way to know whether the second person pronoun was used in reference to a single individual or to multiple individuals was to recognize which form was used: ie. whether the pronoun was plural or singular.

By the time that the KJV was translated, English no longer had a distinction between the singular second person pronoun and the plural second person pronoun. The term "you" was used for both singular and plural. This created a problem for the translators who needed a way to translate the distinction between singular and plural that existed in the original languages of Scripture. They found a solution to this problem in the resurrection of the antiquated singular second person pronouns in the English language - ie. "thee" and "thou." Thus, anytime that you find the term "thee" or the term "thou" in the KJV, you can know that the person using that term was referring to a single individual, and anytime that you see the terms "ye" or "you" in the KJV, you can know that the person using that term was referring to a group of individuals.

This can be a great aid in understanding the Bible as we can see in passages like Matthew 26:64. Notice the difference between the KJV wording of this verse and the ESV wording:

"Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

"Jesus said to him, 'You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.'"

In the KJV rendering, the distinction between the singular second person pronoun (thou) and the plural second person pronoun (you) reveals that Jesus addressed the first part of His response to the high priest as an individual, but then He turned and addressed the whole congregation in order to tell them that he would fulfill the prophecy of Daniel 7:13. This subtle change is completely lost in the ESV which makes it seem as if Jesus was addressing the high priest in both parts of His answer. The KJV's use of this antiquated terminology is thus very helpful in understanding the meaning inherent in the original languages of Scripture.

It is common in our day for scholars to sneer at the use of the KJV, but I have yet to find any other translation that shows this level of care in preserving the meaning of the original text of Scripture.

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Michael J Montagna
12/24/2022 03:27:16 am

Dear Mr. Fortenberry
Thanks so much for the clear, concise contrast you draw among these pronounce. Most helpful to me is your distinctions of nominative pronouns ending in e and objective pronouns ending in ou. Easy to remember too: as Objective ends in Ou.
I am tempted to offer lessons in English grammar based on Scripture. Having trouble getting started.
Enjoy a blessed Christmas and a happy, healthful new year.
Michael

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Caleb Richardson link
11/8/2023 09:24:06 am

Hi Bill,
The Textual Confidence Collective has recently published a study that surveyed pastors who use the King James. It tested whether these pastors knew and remembered this singular/plural distinction.

https://kjbstudyproject.com

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Christian
4/8/2025 12:25:45 pm

Note that Textual Confidence Collective is a product of Mark Ward, whose main goal seemingly is to tear down KJV-only arguments through human reasoning. It’s unfortunate, too, because the term “KJV-only” is twisted and distorted in order to distract from the true question: Do we have God’s perfect word in English, or do we have to guess between all the translations and rely on scholars?

I’d suggest researching the whole discussion on both sides and seeing what the underlying issue is: God promised his word would be preserved, not guessed at. There are so many reasons to cling to the King James Bible among all the noise of modern versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlJo1-8rj7s
https://kjbrc.org
https://truthischrist.com

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Cornelius
6/9/2025 03:15:18 pm

In genesis 3:15 the word akal is translated into “ye shall not eat”
Showing Adam and Eve were both present when Satan tempted Eve.

Back in genesis 2 the same Hebrew word akal translates to “thou shall not eat “ speaking only to Adam.

How do the writers know just from the Hebrew word “akal” in genesis 3:15 whether to translate it to thou or ye ?


I understand why in genesis 2 because it says the women eve has not yet been created.

But in genesis 3:15 how does the writer know Adam was present?

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Bill Fortenberry
6/16/2025 04:18:14 am

That phrase does not occur in Genesis 3:15, but it is found in Genesis 3:3 when Eve was recounting God's instruction. I don't read Hebrew, but if you compare the Hebrew of Genesis 2:17 with the Hebrew of Genesis 3:3, you can see that the word "āḵal" has a different ending when it is used in Genesis 3:3. In the first verse, the Hebrew word is singular, and it looks like this: תֹאכַל. In the second verse, the word is plural, and it looks like this: תֹאכְלוּ. Note that Hebrew reads from right to left, so the verb ending is on the left of the word. These two words have the same root, but they look different because one is the singular form while the other is the plural form.

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